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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 3:43 pm 

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OMG...you're right about that, fred...WOW WOW WOW!!!


Mo is back...hope he stay healthy now...Caleb's Posse passed a colt that was tired, but wouldn't give an inch...love seeing courage like that...Mo done good :D wooooooohooooooo !!!



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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 4:15 pm 

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What seems promising is that he won't have to go anywhere near that fast when he stretches out and should have much more left in the stretch. Plus he should get a lot out of this race. I don't see any problem with Mo stretching out to a Mile and 1/16 to a mile and 1/8. Any further is anybody's guess. That race was very fast! You don'r see too many 1 21's at Saratoga with 3 year olds!


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 5:02 pm 

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fred p - The owner, Repole, says that may well have been Uncle Mo's final race.


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 5:53 pm 

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I read that too. I'm not sure why he said that after Toddy said Mo was cooling out well. I'm confused.


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 6:15 pm 

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fred p - This is pure speculation on my part so here goes. I've seen these scenarios before.
I think there was a deal or pending deals offered to Repole Stable to syndicate Uncle Mo "providing he won a grade 1 stake this year".
There is stallion deals going on all the time and I use a recent example of Court vision this past week.
Repole has to be very careful they don't cause Uncle Mo's residual value to drop and it would drop a lot if he were to lose another race.
Uncle Mo has won the following stakes:
2 year old - Won Champagne Gr1, Won Breeders' Cup Gr1 plus Eclipse Award for Champion 2 Yr Old C&G
3 year old - Won $100,000 Timelywriter, 3rd Wood Memorial Gr1, 2nd Bishop Gr1. plus he only has 10 BC points.
Also the time for the Bishop was not that hot considering the Bishop S. has been run 11 times quicker out of the past 27 runnings.
In my opinion "if" he had won the Bishop Gr1 you would of heard of a stallion syndicate deal by the end of Sept.
They may have a deal pending if he didn't win and doesn't run anymore so his residual value can't drop.
Again, this is speculation on my part but setting up a stallion syndication can be very tricky when big dollars are involved.


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 6:37 pm 

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I remember the same situation with Coolmore and Tale of the Cat, who has turned out to be a fine sire. Tale, I believe, did win his Grade 1. It doesn't look like it will be easy for Mo to win his unless he waits for the Cigar Mile in November.
Caleb Posse's win was, I believe, run in a very fast time, as it appears the track was slowing down noticeably later in the card as indicated by the slow time in the Travers, 2 03 and change. And the raw time for the Kings Bishop was very fast, 1 21.2. How much hotter can you get? I'm curious...how many of the 11 Kings Bishop's you mentioned were run under 1 21?


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 7:01 pm 

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fred p - As I said before the stallion syndication is speculation on my part but I do know this goes on all the time.
If he goes in the Cigar Mile and loses just by a nose again it will reduce his residual value.
So if they were to stop on him now they wold maximize their return on a syndicate deal, if there is one.
The official time today for the King's Bishop won by Caleb's Posse is 1:21:59 put up by Equine Line for NYRA
2011 Caleb's Posse won in 1:21:59 (1/100th shy of 122) A fifth of second = 20/100ths of a second
The quickest time for the stake was in:
2004 when Pomeroy in 1:20 4/5ths
1999 Forestry won in 121 flat
2001 Squirtle Squirt won in 1:21 4/5ths
1997 Tale Of The Cat won in 1:21 3/5ths (this is the horse you mentioned earlier)
1996 Honor And Glory won in 1:21 3/5ths
1994 Chimes Band won in 1:21 4/5ths
1993 Mi Cielo won in 1:21 3/5ths
1992 Salt Lake won in 1:21 2/5ths
1991 Take Me Out won in 1:21 3/5ths
1990 Housebuster won in 1:21 4/5ths
1988 King's Nest won in 1:21 45ths


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 7:09 pm 

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fred p - Just another note in passing, in 1994 Tale of The Cat won the King's Bishop when it was a Grade 2 then and placed 3rd in the Vosburgh which was a Grade 1 at that time. He ran at age 4 and was 2nd in the Whitney Grade 1 and 3rd in the Vosburgh Grade 1, In 9 starts he won 1 stake, placed in 1 and was 3rd in 2 with total earnings of $360,900.


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 7:30 pm 

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I'm sorry, but 1 21.59= 1 21 2/5 ths which places him behind only Forestry and Pomeroy.

You are right about Tale of the Cat. Coolmore decided to stick with him anyway even though he failed to win his Grade 1 and he turned into a good sire. I believe whoever may have elected to syndicate Mo would probably stick with him too under similar circumstances if he continues to run well. Let's see if Repole has enough faith in Mo to keep running him even though the syndication isn't locked in.


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 8:20 pm 

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i remember i read somewhere mo would be retired after this race.... mo a sire? maybe for new york breds...


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 27th, 2011, 8:33 pm 

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You don't like Mo's breeding?


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 28th, 2011, 5:02 am 

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fred p - Thank you for pointing out the errors of my entry. I was a bit tired and too lazy to get my glasses when I started to list the times.
I was thought it was 1:21:99 and not 1:21:59. You know what they say, if you are going to make a mistake make a big one, that way no one will knit pick later. Thank you for reading carefully. Also, don't forget, I was purely speculating on the stallion syndicating idea for Uncle Mo.
By the way, the Class Rating for Caleb's Posse and Uncle Mo in the King's Bishop was 122 and 120 for the 3rd horse.


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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 28th, 2011, 7:17 am 

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jeeze, I never heard anything about retiring Mo now...last I remember, Repole said he'd run as a 4 yr old!! I really think they need to race him a couple more times...he showed he's a very talented colt, and to retire him now, IMO, would be chicken $hit...as for his pedigree, any mare owner looking to breed a nice miler would do well with Mo...I'm not crazy for his pedigree, I doubt he'd throw many classic distance horses, and as I mentioned before, I still don't think he can win the BC Classic...leave that one for Stay Thirsty :D ...it's really a question of sportsmanship and just how much confidence they have in Mo's ability...he prooved he's as good as any of them with his gutsy race in the KB...



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 Post subject: Re: UNCLE MO
PostPosted: August 28th, 2011, 7:45 am 

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Mo tried but tank came up empty -- he is wash up -- but full of hart for the first 3/4 but like the ability to stay in past that - gave up ground need more time off.

Like I said a long time ago he is only good for 6f.


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PostPosted: August 28th, 2011, 9:52 am 

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bisket - fred p - From a breeding perspective do you think that at the moment Indian Charlie has to prove himself as a sire of sires?
I know he has one son at stud, Bwana Charlie who has sired Comma On Top a graded winner and graded placed but don't you think he would need more than that to become a sire of sires? From a market breeders point of view if a stallion is unproven I think a majority of breeders prefer to go to at least a son of a sire of sires to increase the odds of success. I would think if and when Uncle Mo goes to stud and the opportunity presents itself Repole would likely put some good mares to Uncle Mo to help send him off with a decent 1st crop. Uncle Mo's dam is stakes placed and there are some good sires in her pedigree. His biggest selling point to attract mares is he is a 2 Yr Old Champion and graded stakes winner.


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